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Just watched this short film and would like to discuss it. I won’t give any spoilers, though :) First, it was amazing to actually see John and Sherlock depicted as a couple straightforwardly, not only visualising it after reading the Canon or watching particularly charged moments of Granada or Lenfilm. Mrs. Hudson was hilarious, but the way Mary was treated was somewhat disappointing for me, to be honest. I understand that they did it for laughs, but I thought she was going to be a beard or something if they decided to introduce her into this version at all. Anyway, the microscope cake was funny and the Sussex references very endearing because retirementlock is my special jam. Also, A. J. Raffles' balloons XD 

Date: 2019-08-03 01:16 pm (UTC)
senmut: Dr Watson and Sherlock Holmes looking forward, standing close (Fandom: Sherlock Holmes)
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+tucks away to watch later+
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Date: 2019-08-04 05:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I was disconcerted by the bit with Mary, too -- I could tell I was supposed to think it funny, but I couldn't figure out what the joke was supposed to be. Nor was I quite sure exactly what the situation was between her and John: that they actually were married, but John had permanently abandoned her for Sherlock? And her feelings about that were...? Basically, nothing about her on-screen presences worked for me.

And yes, Lestrade was weirdly young -- I kept expecting that to be Hopkins.

Date: 2019-08-04 06:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
It doesn't speak well of Watson, and it makes Mary's discontent a matter of comedy, and neither are things I like at all.

Yes, the possible queerness of the inspector was one of the reason I thought it was Hopkins! Holmes/Hopkins is a fairly popular pairing (well, if anything can be considered popular in the shadow of Holmes/Watson!), and thus I'm much more likely to read Hopkins as queer than Lestrade. (Although of course there's nothing that I recall that textually prevents Lestrade being queer: it's just a matter of competing fannish readings.)

Date: 2019-08-04 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I mostly want to see her treated with consideration and respect, both by the author and the characters.

Re: Mary

Date: 2019-08-04 10:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iwantthatcoat
At one of the discussions at 221B they mentioned that Mary was originally meant to be a beard or there was supposed to be someone Mary ran off with at the end (perhaps it was Irene?) but they had to edit out quite a bit. As it stands in the final cut, nothing about Mary works for me. It even makes the rest of it a difficult watch.

Re: Mary

Date: 2019-08-08 02:33 am (UTC)
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