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Thanks everyone who recommended books about WWI a while ago. It turned out that it’s not easy to get some of them in the part of the world where I live, but I did manage to lay my hands on a few. 
 
Doctors in the Great War by Ian R. Whitehead was an interesting read. It’s well-researched if a bit dry, and it helps to understand how the medical service was organised on the Western Front. 
 
The most insightful part for me was the chapter with an overview of the British army medical service before WWI. It gives context to Watson’s experiences during his service in Afghanistan. In many ways it was an eye-opener.
 
The Royal Army Medical Corps (RAMC) did not exist before 1898. It means that medics in the army did not have any real authority and were not considered to be equals with the combatants. Hence the appalling situation of poor sanitary conditions and ineffective medical care which Florence Nightingale worked to improve during the Crimean War (1853-1856).
 
The lack of authority conferred on Medical Officers was an expression of prejudice against them which was spread in military circles. They were not regarded as fellow officers, but merely as ‘camp followers’; some regiments did not allow the Medical Officers to dine with other officers in the mess, whilst the Medical Officer, no matter how long he had served, was always subordinate to the most junior subaltern. In addition to social ostracism, the medical man often faced discrimination with regard to pay and distribution of honours. [...]
 
The lowly status of the Medical Officer was damaging in two respects. On the one hand, his lack of authority added to the inefficiency of the medical arrangements hampered any attempts he might make to improve the lot of the sick and wounded. On the other hand, it undermined the morale within the service, and further discouraged young medical men from joining the service which was considered by the profession at large to have been passed over by the improvements in medical knowledge and practice.
 
Things improved a bit by the time Watson served. In 1878 the pay was raised, but in terms of authority there was little change. It explains how bleak Watson’s perspectives were after the university if he chose to join the army. He must have been virtually penniless, without any hope to start a practice of his own and most likely had no other opportunities. In comparison, ACD worked as a ship’s surgeon and later scraped just marginally enough money with the help of his mother and sisters to practice in Southsea. 
 
A belief remained amongst combatant officers that the health of the men was beneath their interest. This insured that the necessity for good hygiene and sanitation continued to be ignored by the Army. [...]
 
The attitude of the Army that nothing could be done to prevent men from drinking contaminated water if they were thirsty, and the ignorance of the men on matters of hygiene clearly demonstrated the folly of not paying heed to the advice of the medical profession. [...]
 
The lack of authority vested in Medical Officers prevented them from making sanitary improvements, and their low status ensured that little notice was taken of their views.
 
As a result, typhoid and other contagious diseases caused by poor sanitation were rampant. It sheds some light as to why Watson was ‘struck down by enteric fever, that curse of our Indian possessions’.
 
With formation of RAMC and further acknowledgement of importance of medical care, the picture was quite different when Watson re-enlisted to serve during WWI. At last the medical men were regarded with due respect.

Date: 2020-02-28 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] smallhobbit
You may be interested in John McCrae a Canadian doctor who wrote In Flanders Fields.

Date: 2020-02-28 10:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelindeed
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing these passages, I had no idea.

Did the book mention whether most Medical Officers were trained doctors, or whether that was rare in the Victorian army? In WWII my impression is that medics were often just ordinary men with no medical degrees or prior training; they received some medical training from the army when they were designated to serve as medics, and were then set loose to do the best they could in the field.

As far as I know according to the conventions of WWII, medics didn't carry weapons and were supposed to be considered non-combatants (meaning by the rules of war enemy troops weren't supposed to shoot at them). I don't know if this was true in the late Victorian era, but I wonder if their non-combatant status might have been part of why they were looked down on and considered junior to all the combatant officers...

Which of course raises the question of why Watson had an army revolver to bring home with him.

Date: 2020-02-29 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelindeed
Fascinating, thank you for sharing these details! I see, so medical officers were different from medics; the former were stationed behind the lines for surgeries and hospital care, the latter were working in the field to retrieve the wounded, triage their wounds, perform emergency first aid and transport them to the doctors in the rear. I believe it worked that way in WWII as well, I was just confused about whether a medical officer meant a 'medic' or something different.

It's also interesting to hear more about the doctors' non-combatant status and the ways in which it was or was not adhered to in wartime. It's not surprising, I suppose, that a number of them learned to shoot in preparation for defense or as a way of venting their stress.

I do remember that passage from A Study in Scarlet in which Watson mentions he went to Netley, and I've always been curious about what that sort of training would have entailed. Thanks so much for sharing what you've learned!

Date: 2020-03-05 01:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelindeed
Oh yay, I'm so happy the ideas in there sparked your interest! I'd love to see it as a plot or subplot in some future fic of yours, no matter when you might have time for it or whether someone else claims it, too :) And good luck with both your WIPs, I very genuinely stand in awe of your productivity! I tend to write, like, maybe 10K a year and I'm tapped! :P

Date: 2020-03-05 01:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelindeed
Yes, I like the way you break this down on so many character levels. I do suspect that Holmes's choice to present himself and his business that way had multiple levels: sentimental, strategic, bohemian, and principled - in hopes of not intimidating away clients who'd think they couldn't afford him, and as a way of twitting any well-heeled visitors who were normally too proud to walk upstairs to someone's small first floor parlor and sit down amid the chemical apparatus and the jackknife in the mantel and the criminal relics occasionally turning up in unexpected places :) What did Neil Gibson or the Prime Minister or the Illustrious Client's representative think of it all? What did it mean to Kitty Winters, or to poor Dr. Trevelyan, who'd gotten himself into such a mess because he didn't think he'd ever make it if he tried to work from a house like this? It's fun to think about :)

Date: 2020-03-05 02:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelindeed
My pleasure, thank you for running all this!

Date: 2020-02-29 07:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laurajv
re: Watson's finances. I've always assumed that his lack of money was due to his elder brother, who inherited their father's estate & then managed to lose most of the money due to his drinking habits.

Date: 2020-03-02 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laurajv
I shall share my headcanon's supporting evidence:

John inherits his older brother's watch (which was previously his father's). The watch is quite an expensive one -- Sherlock estimates its value at fifty guineas (which would've been around $5000 in today's money, or around 52 pounds at the time. Watches were much more cheaply available -- you could get them for 15 pounds or so (and probably for less, but I know for sure around 15 pounds). So John grew up in a household where his father was able to purchase a quite expensive luxury version of a useful item. Primogeniture was likely not mandatory, but John's older brother seems to have inherited quite a bit of money along with the watch. (Sherlock deduces that he managed to waste all of his money.)

John's father also died many years ago; it is possible that John was a minor when this happened.

My guess is that the elder Watson had reached his majority, inherited, provided for John's education, but lost his money during the course of that education (possibly some of the watch-pawnings we know about were to pay for the completion of the education), and when John graduated he found out the situation & therefore went into the Army.

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